Margaret Thatcher 1925-2013

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  • Margaret Thatcher 1925-2013

    carokann, 08.04.2013 14:06
    #1

    The Lady has turned.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ-M0KEFm9I

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady%27s_not_for_turning

    http://briandeer.com/social/thatcher-society.htm

    "I think we've been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it's the government's job to cope with it. 'I have a problem, I'll get a grant.' 'I'm homeless, the government must house me.' They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It's our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There's no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation

    Margaret Thatcher, 1987.

  • RE: Margaret Thatcher

    carokann, 08.04.2013 18:45, Antwort auf #1
    #2

    Statt Blumen!

    Margaret Thatcher was the most divisive and destructive Prime Minister of modern times.

    Mass Unemployment, factory closures, communities destroyed – this is her legacy. She was a fighter and her enemy was the British working class. Her victories were aided by the politically corrupt leaders of the Labour Party and of many Trades Unions. It is because of policies begun by her that we are in this mess today.

    Other prime ministers have followed her path, notably Tony Blair. She was the organ grinder, he was the monkey.

    Remember she called Mandela a terrorist and took tea with the torturer and murderer Pinochet.

    How should we honour her? Let’s privatise her funeral. Put it out to competitive tender and accept the cheapest bid. It’s what she would have wanted.

    Ken Loach (brit. Regisseur)

  • RE: Margaret Thatcher

    gruener (Luddit), 08.04.2013 19:49, Antwort auf #2
    #3

    aber lobpreisen sollten wir sie schon ein wenig, wenn auch nur im liedgut.

    Hier sind einige aufbauende Thatcher Deathday Celebration Songs [youtube.com]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlkXQm7tSCY&list=PLA196F73A2E3CA94F

  • RE: Margaret Thatcher

    carokann, 08.04.2013 22:47, Antwort auf #3
    #4

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-party-bri xton-glasgow?CMP=twt_gu

    Several hundred people gathered in south London [co.uk] on Monday evening to celebrate Margaret Thatcher [co.uk]'s death with cans of beer, pints of milk and an impromptu street disco playing the soundtrack to her years in power.

  • RE: Margaret Thatcher

    Wanli, 08.04.2013 23:00, Antwort auf #4
    #5

    Nun, ich halte es da eher mit Andrew Sullivans Nachruf:

    Yes: the British left would prefer to keep everyone poorer if it meant preventing a few getting richer. And the massively powerful trade union movement worked every day to ensure that mediocrity was protected, individual achievement erased, and that all decisions were made collectively, i.e. with their veto. And so – to take the archetypal example – Britain’s coal-workers fought to make sure they could work unprofitable mines for years of literally lung-destroying existence and to pass it on to their sons for yet another generation of black lung. This “right to work” was actually paid for by anyone able to make a living in a country where socialism had effectively choked off all viable avenues for prosperity. And if you suggested that the coal industry needed to be shut down in large part or reshaped into something commercial, you were called, of course, a class warrior, a snob, a Tory fascist, etc. So hard-working Brits trying to make a middle class living were taxed dry to keep the life-spans of powerful mine-workers short.

    To put it bluntly: The Britain I grew up in was insane. The government owned almost all major manufacturing, from coal to steel to automobiles. Owned. It employed almost every doctor and owned almost every hospital. Almost every university and elementary and high school was government-run. And in the 1970s, you could not help but realize as a young Brit, that you were living in a decaying museum – some horrifying mixture of Eastern European grimness surrounded by the sculptured bric-a-brac of statues and buildings and edifices that spoke of an empire on which the sun had once never set. Now, in contrast, we lived on the dark side of the moon and it was made up of damp, slowly degrading concrete.

    I owe my entire political obsession to the one person in British politics who refused to accept this state of affairs.

    http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/04/08/thatcher-liberator/

  • RE: Margaret Thatcher

    carokann, 08.04.2013 23:18, Antwort auf #5
    #6

    Sentimentalismus aus der Ferne, wanli!

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/08/morrissey-thatcher-was-a-terror -without-an-atom-of-humanity.html

    Thatcher is remembered as The Iron Lady only because she possessed completely negative traits such as persistent stubbornness and a determined refusal to listen to others.
    Every move she made was charged by negativity; she destroyed the British manufacturing industry, she hated the miners, she hated the arts, she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die, she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them, she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists, she was the only European political leader who opposed a ban on the Ivory Trade, she had no wit and no warmth and even her own Cabinet booted her out. She gave the order to blow up The Belgrano even though it was outside of the Malvinas Exclusion Zone - and was sailing AWAY from the islands!  When the young Argentinean boys aboard The Belgrano had suffered a most appalling and unjust death, Thatcher gave the thumbs up sign for the British press. 

    Iron? No. Barbaric? Yes. She hated feminists even though it was largely due to the progression of the women's movement that the British people allowed themselves to accept that a Prime Minister could actually be female. But because of Thatcher, there will never again be another woman in power in British politics, and rather than opening that particular door for other women, she closed it.

    Thatcher will only be fondly remembered by sentimentalists who did not suffer under her leadership, but the majority of British working people have forgotten her already, and the people of Argentina will be celebrating her death. As a matter of recorded fact, Thatcher was a terror without an atom of humanity.

    Morrissey

    http://www.spinner.com/2013/04/08/morrissey-billy-bragg-margaret-thatcher/

    "This is not a time for celebration. The death of Margaret Thatcher is nothing more than a salient reminder of how Britain got into the mess that we are in today. Of why ordinary working people are no longer able to earn enough from one job to support a family; of why there is a shortage of decent affordable housing; of why domestic growth is driven by credit, not by real incomes; of why tax-payers are forced to top up wages; of why a spiteful government seeks to penalise the poor for having an extra bedroom; of why Rupert Murdoch became so powerful; of why cynicism and greed became the hallmarks of our society.

    "Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don't celebrate -- organise!"

    Billy Bragg

  • RE: Margaret Thatcher

    Wanli, 08.04.2013 23:28, Antwort auf #6
    #7

    Nix gegen den Mann, ich mag die Smiths, genau wie Billy Bragg, die Stiff Little Fingers, Elvis Costello oder Salman Rushdie, vermutlich noch einige weitere Thatcher-Hasser. Aber wenn es um Politik geht, dann liegt der gemeine Künstler halt oft daneben, unser Großpoet Grass sollte da als Beweis ausreichen.

    Der normale Politiker schwimmt mit dem Strom, manche schwimmen dagegen und saufen ab, aber nur die wenigsten schwimmen solange gegen den Strom, bis der entnervt die Richtung ändert. Das hat Maggie geschafft.


    Edit: Wenn ich diesen Morrissey-Bullshit schon lese:

    "she hated the miners" - BS, nicht die Arbeiter, sondern die Geiselnahme eines ganzen Landes durch Gewerkschaften, die unbedingt unproduktive und gesundheitsschädliche Jobs von der Allgemeinheit finanzieren lassen wollten.

    "she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die" - BS; klar hat sie den Hungerstreikenden nicht nachgegeben, aber mit dem Anglo-Irish-Agreement die Grundlage für den nordirischen Friedensprozess gelegt.

    "she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them" - BS, laut wikipedia kletterten die Sozialausgaben unter Thatcher um über 30%, weit stärker als das Bruttoinlandsprodukt.

    "she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists" - BS, der Kerl sollte sich mal den Guardian-Liveblog antun, in dem die Lady von Umweltschützern dafür gefeiert wird, Umweltthemen wie den Klimawandel erstmals ins Bewusstsein einer breiten britischen Öffentlichkeit gerückt zu haben.

    Edit 2: Auch das hier scheint eher fragwürdig zu sein:

    She gave the order to blow up The Belgrano even though it was outside of the Malvinas Exclusion Zone - and was sailing AWAY from the islands!  When the young Argentinean boys aboard The Belgrano had suffered a most appalling and unjust death, Thatcher gave the thumbs up sign for the British press.

    Siehe hier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_General_Belgrano#Legal_situation

  • RE: Margaret Thatcher

    carokann, 08.04.2013 23:35, Antwort auf #7
    #8

    Was war der grösste Hit von Andrew Sullivan?

  • RE: Margaret Thatcher

    Wanli, 08.04.2013 23:41, Antwort auf #8
    #9

    Was war der grösste Hit von Andrew Sullivan?

    Heute muss man angesichts des Siegeszugs der Schwulenehe in den Staaten wohl dieses Buch nennen, ein sehr frühes Plädoyer für die Legalisierung der gay marriage:

    http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/07/06/reviews/18419.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=% 22virtually%20normal%22%20&st=cse&oref=slogin

    Edit: Und mir soll erstmal jemand erklären, warum Thatcher drei Wahlen gewann und in Umfragen immer wieder gut abschneidet, wenn sie denn so ein Monstrum war:

    On the day of her death, half of all respondents, 50%, told the pollster that they look back on her contribution as a positive one for Britain. That is 16 points more than the 34% who say she was bad for the country.

    Opinions remain strong on both sides: half of her admirers, 25%, rate her record as "very good", and most of her detractors, 20% of the overall sample, deem it to have been "very bad". Indeed, only 11% sit on the fence and say she was "neither good nor bad"; an even smaller slither of opinion, just 5%, told ICM that they didn't know.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/08/britain-divided-margaret-thatcher -record-poll

  • RE: Margaret Thatcher

    carokann, 08.04.2013 23:46, Antwort auf #9
    #10

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-editorial

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/04/margaret-thatcher-state-fune ral-protests

    Her legacy is of public division, private selfishness and a cult of greed, which together shackle far more of the human spirit than they ever set free.

    Interessant auch dieser Leserkommentar von Hibernica

    @pevans77 - I couldn't help laughing at all that right wing guff. She doubled unemployment and kept it at over three million for over a decade and still her supporters claim she was an economic success. She wasn't.

    As for her long term legacy the cult of Thatcherism and Reaganomics which effectively allowed unfettered capitalism with minimal regulation to be inflicted on an unsuspecting world made a handful of people very rich before leading ultimately to the banking disaster and never-ending recession of recant years. We know now that Thatcherism is a failed social and economic theory.

    It's nice to contemplate an afterlife in which Reagan and Maggie look down at Planet Earth and glumly conclude that they ballsed it up.

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